Use responsible-human-independence to manage belief systems

 

Phil Beaver seeks to collaborate on the-objective-truth, which can only be discovered. The comment box below invites readers to write.

"Civic" refers to citizens who collaborate for individual happiness with civic integrity more than for the city, state, nation, or society.

Consider writing a personal paraphrase of the preamble, which offers fellow citizens mutual equality:  For discussion, I convert the preamble’s predicate phrases to nouns and paraphrase it for my interpretation of its proposal as follows:  This good citizen practices the U.S. disciplines---integrity, justice, peace, strength, and prosperity, "in order to” develop responsible human-independence “to ourselves and our Posterity.”  I want to improve my interpretation by listening to other citizens and their interpretations yet would preserve the original, 1787, text, unless it is amended by the people.

It seems the Supreme Court occasionally refers to it, and no one has challenged whether or not the preamble is a legal statement. The fact that it changed this independent country from a confederation of states to a union of states deliberately managed by disciplined fellow citizens convinces me the preamble is legal. Equity in opportunity and outcome is shared by the people who collaborate for human justice.

Every citizen has equal opportunity to either trust-in and collaborate-on the goals stated in the preamble or be dissident to the agreement. I think 2/3 of citizens try somewhat to use the preamble but many do not articulate commitment to the goals. However, it seems less than 2/3 understand that “posterity” implies grandchildren. “Freedom of religion,” which fellow citizens have no means to discipline, oppresses freedom to develop integrity.

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Use responsible-human-independence to manage belief systems

A common theme of opinions offered this week is that dependence of all kinds, including belief systems can be overcome with responsible-human-independence. Questions touch rights, ideologies, social equality, hate in Jesus scripture, authoritarianism as Machiavellianism, physics and its progeny, convincingly expressing comprehension, female and male reliable human classes, opinion versus the-ineluctable-truth; and ourselves tolerating tyranny seems evil to our posterity.

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https://www.quora.com/Identify-groups-in-your-society-whose-rights-are-violated-or-not-defended-Why-What-are-ways-of-correcting-this-problem? by Jessrence Cruz

People who develop humble-integrity by which to estimate their personal-integrity suffer U.S. Congressional tyranny.

The author of Genesis 1:27-28, the 1776 USA founders, the 1787 U.S. framers, and the September 17, 1787 Constitution signers ultimately advocated civic discipline “in order to” establish responsible-human-independence “to ourselves and our Posterity”. That is to say, civic separation of church and state. However, U.S. citizens suffer the tyranny of religion-Congress-partnership under colonial-English tradition.

Among the 9 of 13 free and independent states, at least 2 required addition of a British-mimicking Bill of Rights. Two more joined later, and the U.S. began operating with 11 states. Their First Congress imposed a British like church-legislative-partnership, which 10 of 14 states codified in the religion clauses of the First Amendment. People who would like to civilly accept Genesis 1 and responsibly pursue the happiness they want carry the Congressional-tyranny of their religion partnership.

The entity We the People of the United States could and should end the tyranny by amending the First Amendment so as to promote U.S. humble-integrity rather than Congressional “divinity”. Write to your Congressperson and Senators to demand this reform before 2022 arrives.

FB add on: The First Amendment ought to promote humble-integrity rather than religion-Congress partnership.

https://www.quora.com/Do-people-who-believe-strongly-in-an-ideology-to-the-point-that-its-become-part-of-their-identity-refuse-or-are-unable-to-think-critically-due-to-the-risk-that-it-might-challenge-their-belief-system? by Chris Guerrieri

Absolutely.

That light just keeps getting brighter as my life accelerates. It’s a long story I now count in quarter centuries, but I’ll try to make it brief.

Mom and Dad, excellent lower-middle-class providers were competing Southern Baptist female and male. By age twelve, I was a would-be fullback that loved to read, collect stamps and coins, enter science-fair contests, and collect fossils from a nearby quarry. At Staub School, the library had a shelf of sky-blue biographies; Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Ben Franklin, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Betsy Ross, Abraham Lincoln, Abigail Adams, Booker T. Washington, on an on. I learned to read the first page and last age and move to the next blue spine if not pleased.

Every Saturday, for RA’s, I had to repeat 3 assigned Bible verses. I decided to read the first and last pages of the King James Bible. The first page seemed familiar and too much for one reading. The last page ended with threats I took personally. I could not then articulate my 2021 thought:  No God I will nurture feels so weak as to threaten me. Mom and Dad were so good to me, it took 4 more decades to accept the precious doubt that fear invites the-good. My dear sister (d. 2017) helped.

After a quarter-century, I met the most serenely confident person I can imagine, and she is now my wife of 2 quarter-centuries. I get excited each time I anticipate telling her goodnight. She is Louisiana French-Catholic by 3 family lines with one German ancestor. Along the way, my Sunday-school class reminded me that Catholics burn in hell because they have not been baptized by emersion after accepting Jesus Christ as their savior. When I told them our three children were confirmed at age 13, they responded with more erroneous religious opinion: Confirmation is not a Sacrament (good grief!). Few people know how to withdraw from the Baptist brotherhood: I got it done.

It took me another decade to appreciate that I had dropped out of Christianity. Four-decades of self-indoctrination is not easy to change.

After another quarter century, I am able to read opinions like that of St. John in 15:18-23 and reflect: no God that suggests hatred by fellow-humans can have my appreciation. I sigh and think, “For all I know, Jesus is God,” but not John’s Jesus. I think Jesus said that the human-being who accepts responsible-human-impendence can perfect their life before mind, body, and person stop functioning.

People who pretend to “witness for Jesus” may hide rather than accept Jesus’ advice. Some have not the humility to imagine they may have rejected the-God for a belief system.

FB add on: Accepting responsible-human-independence more than a belief system.

https://www.quora.com/Will-making-society-equal-make-everybody-miserable? by Oscar Roberts

Reducing human misery and loss requires conformity to the-ineluctable-truth, most of which is unknown. This principle divides humankind, its societies, and individual persons.

At any moment, civilizations divide on discovery-and-intentions-to-responsibly-benefit from the-ineluctable evidence---to lessen human misery and loss. No civilization is aware of the psychological maturity humankind has developed, and most individuals within a civilization are too busy surviving to imagine developing maturity on par with humankind or better. Consequently, no 2 individuals have equal regards for either the perfectibility of their person or their satisfaction of instincts.

The newborn human being has little chance to accept the individual power, the individual energy, and the individual authority (HIPEA) with which to develop the humble-integrity needed for responsible-human independence (RHI).

I am obsessed with a perception that is proffered in the triple combination of Genesis 1:27-28, the 1776 declaration of war against England, and the 1787 constitution for U.S. domestic order. The combined message is: “the good People” develop 5 public disciplines---integrity, justice, peace, strength, and prosperity, “in order to” accept RHI to “ourselves and our Posterity”. Not every citizens elects to be of We the People of the United States.

Neither God nor government usurps the individual human-being’s unique opportunity to develop their person. Fortunate is the individual who is coached and encouraged in the above principles or better: Perfecting their unique person is more likely than tolerating infidelity to self.

Comprehension and intention to practice RHI far exceeds freedom, liberty, and license in determining equitable outcomes.

https://www.quora.com/Where-is-the-truth-behind-the-claim-that-authoritarianism-is-for-weak-people-who-dont-want-to-make-up-their-own-minds? by Michael Bertsch

I perceive “the truth behind it” is blunt tyranny over civilizations. So far, the United States has suffered civil freedom of religion rather than civic integrity.

If we think of “authoritarianism” as Machiavelli’s topic in “The Prince”, 1513, then we can apply a Machiavellianism to comprehend how the people can develop responsible-human-independence (RHI).

Female&male-human-being divides itself on RHI charged in Genesis 1:27-28 but unobserved, so far. In seventeenth-century enlightenment literature, freedom-from oppression and license-to enjoy a liberty or privilege among fellow-citizens are confused and misguided; the first is considered a “natural right” (church) and the second a grant from the military victor or standing political power (state). Both “freedom” and “liberty” persuade some individuals to “consent” to be governed rather than develop RHI.

The person who accepts being a human being may develop RHI by managing both “freedom-from” and “liberty-to”. For example, they earn their desired way of living and happily pay the taxes due, meanwhile attending a church or not, for the happiness they perceive. Under no circumstances does someone who is developing RHI forgo sufficient humility toward whatever controls the unfolding of the universe.

Developing RHI is possible because the human-being has the individual power, the individual energy, and the individual authority (HIPEA) to develop humble-integrity to the-ineluctable-truth rather than tolerate infidelity to their person. In the existing world, development of humble-integrity is unlikely, because no civilization promotes either humble-integrity or the-ineluctable-truth.

Most civilizations inculcate in their youth a search for higher power---a government, a doctrinal-God, a philosophy, or other distraction from RHI.

Authoritarianism perpetuates tyranny over people’s minds. One of the most successful tactics is Chapter XI Machiavellianism: church-state-partnership. The lucky clergy and politicians in partnership live high on the hog, and the people neither rebel nor emigrate. They believe that the-God will eventually relieve their descendants from the misery and loss, even though their ancestors kept that faith. Only a dreamer would act to end the tyranny.

England, by constitution, operates a long-enduring Chapter XI Machiavellianism. A Catholic-Parliament partnership was formed under King John’s 1215 Magna Carta. It was revised to a Protestant Church of England with the 1689 Bill of Rights.

America, inhabited for millennia, was “discovered” initially by Portugal and Spain, later by England and France, then Holland. Eventually, other Europeans colonized North America. In 1763, the eastern seaboard from Florida to Canada was 14 British colonies. Then, King George directed taxation of the colonies to pay French-war debts. In 1774, the 13 colonies south of Canada formed a confederation and began to write state constitutions. By April, 1775, shots were fired.

The founders wrote a declaration of war against England in 1776. They expressed humility toward both church and state, claiming authority under “Nature’s God”, without disparaging the English Trinity, and expecting victory under “the Supreme Judge of the world”. In 1778, they negotiated military providence from France, delivered at Yorktown, VA in 1781.

Perhaps the 1776 Declaration is humble to the Genesis 1:26-27 charge to humankind to independently constrain chaos on earth. For all we know, the Jesus of “I AM” wrote Genesis 1, so praying to him to effect RHI seems defiant. Consequently or not, the framers, in the 1787 U.S. Constitution wrote not one word lessening the humble-integrity the founders expressed in 1776.

However, Congress, in 1791 proffered a religion-Congress-partnership, restoring traditional English-style Chapter XI Machiavellianism, excepting with an “E Pluribus Unum”, factional-American Protestantism. This tyranny over the entity We the People of the United States will continue until most individuals appreciate Genesis 1:27-28 and similar messages (Jesus’ render-unto-Caesar message), the 1776 separation of church and state, and the 1787 affirmation. The U.S. must discharge subservience to British tradition and begin to build statutory justice.

The first two steps I propose to “ourselves and our Posterity” of 2021 are 1) to amend the First Amendment so as to prevent elected or appointed civil officials in the U.S. from encouraging religious opinion rather than civic integrity and 2) to restore the motto “E Pluribus Unum”. Let fellow-citizens pledge to the flag according to their individual RHI; that is, with or without the prayer “under God”.

Some of the horrendous impacts of U.S. “freedom of religion” instead of civic-integrity include 1) the Civil War by white-Christian-church erroneously firing on white-Christian-church, 2) Bush II’s invasion of Iraq with prayer of 50 million citizens, and 3) V.P. Pence’s imposition of erroneous, personal beliefs about Jesus to justify betraying the U.S. Commander-in-Chief and his former running mate.

I hope my opinions encourage reform before 2022 emerges.

FB add on: Neither freedom nor liberty precludes responsible-human-independence. In other words, “consent of the governed” empowers tyranny over dependent people.

To Michael Bertsch:

Thank you. The considerations are not all mine.
Please see my regrettably incomplete appreciations post at A Civic People for names and some dates of people who have aided and encouraged this work.
First name only indicates the person ultimately withdrew association cannot censor my appreciation. Other detractors did not generate appreciation and are not listed. Some contributors last expressed opposition.
There were times in my life when I was not open to trust-in and commitment-to the-ineluctable-evidence, most of which I do not know.

To Alexander Sedge:

I like your arguments for human-independence and ask you to consider a valid-authority, by which a human-being can constrain personal-opinion so as to align with humble-integrity. The authority is: physics and its progeny, including psychology, which follow the same laws. Imagination emerges from the unknowns and must eventually accept the-ineluctable-evidence. In other words, physics does not respond to metaphysics.

Physics and its progeny exist, and the species female&male-human-being, equipped with high-awareness and grammar, perform research, in order to discover and responsibly benefit. Attempts to impose beliefs to deny the-ineluctable-evidence beg woe to the “scientist” and believers.

A political philosopher, about 4,000 years ago, commented on the following principle in Genesis 1:27-28: in my view, humankind must constrain chaos on earth. The political discussion during that recent era had not the benefit of discoveries since then, such as the enormity of the dinosaurs on earth 65 million years earlier, jet propulsion by which humankind can explore our Galaxy if not the universe, and the dignity and equity due each ovum a woman produces during her fertile years. I call the 2021 view of these principles “responsible-human-independence” (RHI).

Upon accepting the-ineluctable-evidence, the human-being tends to responsibly employ the improved comprehension. For example, human-sacrifice to bargain with the-God is almost extinct in civilizations. Nonetheless, many cultures promote a search for means to persuade “the-God” to assume RHI so believers may favorably compete with other civilizations. Such societies divide as civil-citizens and civic-citizens: the privileged and the restricted; male and female. That is to say, humankind divides on RHI.

The evolution of humankind seems about 7 million-years old. Bipeds made tools 3 million-years ago. Maybe language is 0.15 million-years or 150 thousand-years old, spiritualism 80 thousand-years old, and grammar 3 thousand-years old.

Events from 4 thousand-years ago (since Genesis-1) include Terah taking his family from Ur to go to Caanan and Abram inheriting the family; Abram’s adultery; the Jewish Diaspora; the historical Jesus; competitive Christian canon (including the Tewahedo canon); Islam from Abram; King John relinquished legislative powers to Canterbury’s Catholic Bishops and the Lords of Parliament (Magna Carta, 1215); the 1606 Virginia charter’s “We . . . accepting . . . by the Providence of Almighty God . . . in propagating of Christian Religion . . .”; a constitutionally required Protestant monarch (1689 Bill of Rights), King George III’s 1763 attempt to tax the eastern seaboard colonies in America in order to pay French-war debts; and in 1774, formerly loyal subjects in America preparing for independence from England.

The founders, in the 1776 declaration of war, expressed humble integrity to both church and state, metaphysics and physics, responsibility and hope, in representing “the good People”. They separated church by not disparaging either the English Trinity or the Catholic Trinity. They claimed human authority on “Nature and Nature’s God”, which in 2021 seems like physics-and-its-progeny in sufficient humility to its origins. Effecting RHI, in 1778, they negotiated military providence from France. The French delivered at Yorktown, VA in 1781.

In 1787, accepting the need for domestic discipline, the framers specified a federal republic with accountability to individually and corporately disciplined civic-citizens, even with dissident-citizens. Under the 1787 Constitution, dissidents to RHI, or dependents through crime and worse, would be constrained. There is nothing in the 1787 document, signed by 39 of 55 delegates, that lessens the humble-integrity expressed by either the founders of 1776 or Genesis 1:27-28.

Egregiously, Congress, in the First Amendment proffered a religion-Congress tyranny that the continuum “ourselves and our Posterity” has tolerated to this day. The U.S. Supreme Court glibly maintains the tyranny, referring to my objections as “niggling”.

The fellow-citizen who offers to fill an office of the United States ought to lose his position immediately if he takes an oath to fill the office under the U.S. Constitution then attempts to avoid RHI with “so help me God”. What God must take a back seat because of this person’s opinion? Is it the-God? The God of Genesis 1? Is it Jesus of “before Abraham I AM”? The Jesus of “render unto Caesar”? Is it one of the Trinities? The Jesus of disciples “hate” their family members? What mystery does the Christian “witness” for? Is it the God of submission? Does the-God-of-chaos control politicians and the clergy? I trust-in and commit-to the-ineluctable-truth rather than opinion about its unknowns.

The entity “We the People of the United States” as defined by the 1787 U.S. Constitution accepts 5 public disciplines---integrity, justice, peace, strength, and prosperity “in order to” promote responsible-human-independence to “ourselves and our Posterity”. Religion, freedom, liberty, and consent of the governed flee from responsible-human-independence. Alas, the culture intended by Genesis-1, the 1776 Declaration, and the 1787 Constitution, while proffered is not established. An achievable better future can be obtained in less than a generation.

Mr. Sedge, if you like this rant, prepare and write to your Congressperson and Senators to require them to amend the First Amendment from “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .” to “No elected or appointed civil official in the United States shall act to constrain the individual and corporate development of humble integrity . . .” or better. Help this message go viral. Get the amendment-reform ratified before 2022 arrives; it’s that urgent.

FB add on: Authoritarianisms are bad with one exception: it is in the individual’s self-interest to conform to physics and its progeny, unknown as the-ineluctable-evidence may be: accept “I don’t know” when the-ineluctable-truth has not been discovered.

Should I worship and praise God? Hmmm. Would an authority conform to my choice?

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-say-I-understand-in-a-formal-way? by Diego Velasco

Please verify that I received your question such that I can respond: 

If I kindly express awareness and attention, you can prove my comprehension. Am I correct?

 

Let me illustrate. The Sunday school teacher asks, “Why did Jesus die on the cross?”

Someone responds, “Because the Rabbis demanded the emperor to kill Jesus, and the emperor had not the courage to free an innocent man.”

The teacher responds. “No, no. Jesus died to redeem you of your sins.”

The responder asks, “Are you asserting that God could not forgive sin with responsible-human-independence by the emperor: the emperor had to partner with the Rabbis?”

The teacher’s silence satisfactorily confirms the responder’s comprehension.

I read and write to learn, so please comment.

https://www.quora.com/Is-classless-an-effective-type-of-society? by Bernard Rueda

Absolutely not.

Female&male-human-being (FMHB) divides itself on responsible-human-independence (RHI). Some individuals choose to nourish infidelity to personal interest. In order to flourish and constrain chaos on earth, RHI was suggested about 4,000 years ago by a political philosopher represented in Genesis 1:27-28. The Greeks, 1,600 years later suggested that the-good citizen neither initiates nor tolerates harm to or from any person. Matthew 22:21 reports that 2,000 years ago Jesus said, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

This separation of church and state is expressed by the framers in the 1787 constitutional ordering of the United States for and by the continuum “ourselves and our Posterity” to develop domestic statutory-justice. Not one word lessens the humble-integrity expressed by the founders’ 1776 declaration of war against England and after the 13 colonies’ victory. In 1778, the founders negotiated France’s military providence, at Yorktown, VA.

In 2021, it seems evident that neither government nor God will usurp the individual’s power, energy, and authority (HIPEA). However, most civilizations have tried to persuade the-God of Genesis 1 to take RHI. Humankind seems divided into at least 3 classes: persons who intentionally develop RHI, persons who want dependence, and persons who are unaware of their power-to develop RHI. Every human being can have personal religious hopes with the humility to develop civic-integrity.

Genesis 1 recognizes FMHB in the image of the-God, except facing death. FMHB awareness and grammar empower it above the other living species, and it can constrain the earth. The suggested independence is akin to separation of church and state.

Accepting the 3 documents mentioned above---Genesis 1, the 1776 Declaration, and the 1787 U.S. Constitution, no citizen would run for elected office or accept appointed office and the rebuke U.S. intentions by ending an oath of office with “so help me God.” Fellow citizens ought to either retain sufficient humility toward the-God of Genesis 1 or expect consequences.

Perhaps humans class themselves on humble-integrity versus personal-hubris. If so, the U.S. ought to amend the First Amendment in order to promote civic-integrity rather than religious-opinion.

FB add on: Is the preamble’s entity We the People of the United States (WPUS) developing civic-integrity rather than religious-opinion? If so, what percentage of 2021 fellow-citizens belong to WPUS?

https://www.quora.com/q/worldsnews/Is-there-any-real-right-or-wrong-beyond-mere-opinion? by Bianca Andrea

I think so. Please see my response to Finn McBride, an essay posted on February 27, 2021 at cipbr.blogspot.com.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-evil-about-our-society-today? by Patryk Widla

Taking “evil” as equivalent to tolerated tyranny, the religion-Congress-partnership created by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1791 should be reformed in order to promote civic integrity instead of colonial-English tradition.

My civic opinion is based on three documents. An ancient political philosopher represented in Genesis 1:27-28 suggested that female&male-human-being independently flourish (constrain chaos) on earth. The founders, who in 1776 declared independence from England, conformed to Genesis 1 and expressed separation of church and state, by not disparaging England’s Protestant Trinity. They practiced responsible-human-independence in 1778 by negotiating for military providence from France. The framers, in the 1787 Constitution specified domestic discipline that did not lessen the humble-integrity the founders expressed in 1776. Only 39 of the 55 framers signed the 1787 document, and some of the dissenters wanted to mimic England’s constitutional church-state-partnership but with factional-American Protestantism.

Christian factions from Europe competed after the 1607 Virginia Charter’s boast “We . . . by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility” and 1620’s Mayflower Compact’s claim “Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith . . .” In 1789, when the United States began operations under eleven states, most free citizens were Christians, and therefore did not object to Congress claiming divinity on par with Parliament.

However, there’s tyranny bordering on evil when any association of human beings claims to know the mysteries of Jesus Christ or the Father or the Holy Ghost---the Trinity---whether Protestant (1517), Catholic (405), Tewahedo canon (360), Deist (Edward Herbert died 1648) or other. I found one interpretation of Jesus’ “I AM” statements to claim that he is God; https://www.gotquestions.org/I-AM.html. What if the historical Jesus, having read Genesis 1:27-28 as well as Exodus 3:14, said that before Abraham was born, philosophers knew that in order to flourish, humankind must independently constrain chaos on earth? What if peace on earth can only be achieved by each human-being intending to constrain chaos?

If so, the religious believer who tries to persuade God to take people’s responsible-human-independence is arrogant.

Further, reserving sufficient humility to accept Jesus’ opinion about Jesus, it does not seem prudent for a person to claim to “witness for Jesus”. It seems especially egregious if not evil to impose civil religious-opinion on the three documents, Genesis 1, the 1776 Declaration, and the 1787 Constitution.

If you are as concerned about this national-tyranny as I am, write to your Congressperson and your Senators on behalf of the 2021 “ourselves and our Posterity”:  Amend the First Amendment from “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .” to “No elected or appointed civil official in the United States shall act to constrain the individual and corporate development of humble integrity . . .” or better. Get the amendment ratified before 2022 arrives; it’s that urgent.

I write to learn, so please comment.

FB add on: The 1791 First Amendment imposition of civil religion is Congressional tyranny, now codified by the Supreme Court. Is it also evil?

Phil Beaver does not “know.” He trusts in and is committed to the-objective-truth which can only be discovered. Conventional wisdom has truth founded on reason, but it obviously does not work.

Phil is agent for A Civic People of the United States, a Louisiana, education non-profit corporation. See online at promotethepreamble.blogspot.com, and consider essays from the latest and going back as far as you like.