Congress exploits freedom to promote dependency

Phil Beaver seeks to collaborate on the-objective-truth, which can only be discovered. The comment box below invites readers to write.

"Civic" refers to citizens who collaborate for individual happiness with civic integrity more than for the city, state, nation, or society.

Consider writing a personal paraphrase of the preamble, which offers fellow citizens mutual appreciation:  For discussion, I convert the preamble’s predicate phrases to nouns and paraphrase it for my interpretation of its proposal as follows We the People of the United States proffer & practice 5 public disciplines —- integrity, justice, peace, strength, and prosperity, “in order to” encourage & facilitate responsible-human-independence “to ourselves and our Posterity”. I want to improve my interpretation by listening to other citizens and their interpretations yet would preserve the original, 1787, text, unless it is amended by the people.

It seems the Supreme Court occasionally refers to it, and no one has challenged whether or not the preamble is a legal statement. The fact that it changed this independent country from a confederation of states to a union of states deliberately managed by disciplined fellow citizens convinces me the preamble is legal. Equity in opportunity and outcome is shared by the people who collaborate for human justice.

Every citizen has equal opportunity to either trust-in and collaborate-on the goals stated in the preamble or be dissident to the agreement. I think 2/3 of citizens try somewhat to use the preamble but many do not articulate commitment to the goals. However, it seems less than 2/3 understand that “posterity” implies grandchildren. “Freedom of religion,” which fellow citizens have no means to discipline, oppresses freedom to develop integrity.

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Congress exploits freedom to promote dependency

Necessity& justice demand responsible-human-independence (RHI) in civic-integrity. In other words, the civic-citizens adopt RHI in self-interest and encourage dependents to reform.

The framers, after considering the founders’ 1776 declaration of war for independence from England, specified, for domestic order and global recognition, a republic. The 1787 U.S. Constitution proffers a civic culture, with 5 domestic disciplines “in order to” establish, facilitate, and encourage RHI “to ourselves and our Posterity” (includes legal immigrants). Spirituality, one of the English oppressions, was made private rather than civil.

However, some U.S. sectarian-Protestants, during the states ratification process, erroneously argued that the USA is& must-be a Christian-people. Two or 3 key states, therefore, refused to ratify the Constitution unless there be a commitment to amend the Constitution with a Bill of Rights mimicking the 1689 English Bill of Rights. It requires a Protestant monarchy.

While there is nothing wrong with civic-integrity& private-spirituality, the oppression Congress imposed with the religion clauses in the First Amendment have caused the chaos we suffer in 2021. At this moment, the rapid U.S. decline seems divergent.

Genesis 1:28, in 1787 was typically taken as Hebrew scholarship, to be ignored by Christians except as basis for disparaging Jews. However, Genesis 1 may be 5500 year-old Sumerian political philosophy. With some awareness of discovery through 2021, it can be interpreted to mean:  Female&male human-being can& may provide oder& prosperity to the living species and to the earth. That is to say, neither a God nor a government can or will usurp a person’s opportunity to constrain chaos during their unique chance to live.

We, the twelfth generation of “ourselves and our Posterity” need not yield our opportunity to reform from the Christian oppression imposed by the first Congress. The 1788 Anglo-American conservatives had not the 1787 framers’ vision, 1782’s “E Pluribus Unum” to the states, to the people, and to their Gods or none.

Past generations left to us, the 2021 “ourselves and our Posterity” the opportunity to reform Congress’s First Amendment so as to practice, facilitate, and encourage civic-integrity rather than civil-Christianity, leaving every citizen’s spiritual choices to personal-privacy. To me, it matters not who authored Genesis 1:28. What matters is that most of us choose to constrain chaos in our ways of living. If so, the U.S. collective will practice, facilitate, and encourage civic-integrity (Congress-persons can& may join U.S. civic citizens).

News

From American Shame to Civic Breakdown (Mark Bauerlein) theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/from-american-shame-to-civic-breakdown_4148146.html?

In my fourth quarter century I opine that chemical engineers like me are frowned on by each: chemical engineers in management, clergymen, politicians, educators, and the press. These other professions can take risks: the practicing chemical engineer learned that during their entire career, no system they design or accommodate can blow up!

With a B.S. and perceived urgency to begin studying what it means to be a human-being and, moreover, a person born in the USA, I did not take the test to apply for Professional Engineering license. If anyone said, on learning that I am a chemical engineer, “No wonder you are so annoying (or better)” I’d respond, “Civil engineers are reliable: they must be PE’s to practice. The listener immediately got the connection to public safety. None the less, this ChE insisted on technical fidelity or delay& expense until secured.

Unfortunately, writers for the press are, so far, getting away with expressing “the truth”. But everybody knows the truth is unreliable. More than non-professionalism. I think writers for the press systemically obfuscate the-ineluctable-truth.

Consider Mark Bauerlein’s expression, in effect, that the truth is unreliable: “[Anti-conservatives] believe in “telling the truth” about America’s ignoble past . . . however debatable those truths may be, but will not consider the effect of those truths on young people”. In “ignoble past” and “those truths” Bauerlein, perhaps unwittingly, affirms the opinion that America’s past is ignoble! That’s not true.

“Ineluctable” was first published in 1571 and both “ineluctable truth” and “the ineluctable truth” in 1906. Why don’t we know that word? Scholars, educators, clergypersons, politicians, and writers for the press have no defense for their systematic obfuscation of that which is “not to be avoided, changed, or resisted”, merriam-webster .com. During recent years, this chemical engineer uses hyphens to invite readers not to disassemble phrases: hence, the-ineluctable-truth.

Referring to the 1776 Declaration of war for independence, “the good People of these Colonies” were perhaps 40% of free USA-inhabitants, the others divided 40% British loyalists& 20% pacifists. The good people anticipated France’s aid to overthrow England’s oppression, including the imposition of African-slavery. The good people wanted independence.

By political miracle, the 1787 U.S, framers transferred “the good people” to We the People of the United States to proffer 5 domestic disciplines in order to practice, facilitate& encourage responsible-human-independence (RHI) “to ourselves and our Posterity” (including legal immigrants). However, the 1787 intentions to conserve independence were repressed by Anglo-American imposition of Christianity, then factional-American Protestantism, later Judeo-Christianity, and lately, perhaps Judeo-Catholicism.

If writers like Bauerlein were authorized by a responsible press, much like engineers are facilitated under, for example, the American Institute of Chemical Engineers, no press-writer could get away with indulging “the truth”, because “ourselves and our Posterity”, presently unaware to articulate it, continuously demands pursuit of the-ineluctable-truth.

Quora

 

quora.com/Is-a-mountain-a-social-construct-or-is-it-a-feature-of-the-objective-universe? by Andie Spez

Officials notify you that your loved one is about to perish on the other side of a vast wasteland, and you’re halfway to the wasteland when you perceive an insurmountable rising from the ground the locals are calling a mole hill. You consult with the officials, and they get into a brouhaha over contention that it’s a mountain.

They send two military units to assist you. One has a mole-hill leveler and the other has an atomic bomb that can level the wasteland. Which construct will you deploy?

I’m done with this skepticism, and you can carry on, Spez.

quora.com/How-would-you-explain-your-understanding-of-freedom? by Iris Benjieshner Floro

Ms. Floro you’ve asked a fascinating question. It caused me to ask: “What does freedom, as practiced, prevent?”

The human-being who discovers they want 1) a mind that is open to the-ineluctable-truth and 2) a heart that is open to fellow-human-beings, needs a civic-culture of responsible-human-independence (RHI). Therein, “Ineluctable” means “not to be avoided, changed, or resisted”, merraiam-webster. com. “Civic” means reliable human-connections more than compliance to municipal rules. Civic-citizens neither initiate nor accommodate harm/injury to or from any person including self.

However, the unfortunate way education developed, most people nourish a dependency rather than practice RHI. The dependencies include passivism, indolence, spiritualism, infidelity, abuse, crime, despotism, evil, tyranny, and worse.

Consequently, the civic-citizen must earn not only the way of living they prefer, but also must pay the cost of constraining dependents, minimal as the expense may be for some dependencies. For example, passives merely subject themselves to the dominant division of society: RHI or dependency.  Regardless of the cost, civic-citizens cannot avoid, change, or resist politics: cannot have freedom-from civic duty.

Why has education established&fostered ignorance of what it means to be a responsible human being? Government intends to-use-people to develop its immediate interests rather than to practice, facilitate, and encourage opportunity for personal-happiness to each citizen. For example in his second inaugural address, Barack Obama said, “Together we determined that a modern economy requires . . . schools and colleges to train our workers.” What? A civic culture needs schools that inculcate the individual’s motivation to develop both their human-being and self-interest to perfect their unique person before their personal-afterdeath, that unknown time after body, mind, and person stop functioning. Individual perfection is unique to the person, not competitive, and requires fidelity to RHI, leaving spiritualism a private interest if any.

I understand human-freedom is civil-constraint from interfering in personal-opportunity to practice RHI.

I understand extant-freedom as a lame government-bestowal intended to distract each citizen from self-interest in practicing RHI.

quora.com/What-are-some-rights-you-believe-we-do-have-that-governments-shouldn-t-be-able-to-take-away? by Mike Wilson

A couple decades ago, I chose-to not believe anything again. I appreciate mutual acceptance& commitment. I read, think, write, LISTEN, and behave.

In the USA, the neglected-intention is to practice, encourage, and facilitate behavior with civic-integrity to achieve responsible private-happiness.

Accepting that not every human-being wants integrity---personal wholeness& reliability, the civic-citizens earn their way of living plus fund law-enforcement, military-defense, and research to discover& implement statutory-justice. The purpose is to encourage each citizen to responsibly-pursue the private-happiness they prefer rather than subjugate to another entity’s vision for them.

Government should not be able to take away any willing-citizen’s opportunity to develop civic-integrity. The-willful-murderer seems to declare no hope for civic-integrity, so termination is expected on conviction according to the-ineluctable-evidence. "Ineluctable" means "not to be avoided, changed, or resisted".

Facebook comment to Cleve:

Wait, Cleve. We can consider what each of us means by “behave”.

For example, Luke 17:1-19 presents lessons on appreciative behavior. The fellow-citizen who appreciates neighbors has the courage to rebuke bluntly when it seems necessary. The complete fellowship cycle is: rebuke, wait for repentance, forgive, and repeat if necessary [letting repentance come on independent consideration and schedule]. The corollary for the rebuked is: consider, respond, and commit to end the cycle, either by not repeating the offense or by convincing the accuser that they erred.

Breaking the scripture down, V 1-4 presents the cycle, then rebukes the disciples 3 times. In V 5-6, the disciples beg rebuke by not accepting the instruction. In V 7-10 the former disciple-rebuke is reiterated. In V 11-19 the disciple-rebuke is intensified with a story of better, less-predictable cooperation from one foreigner, with 9 disciples departing without gratitude. (This story is among the reasons I don’t trust the Biblical disciples and work hard to comprehend the metaphysical Jesus---the one that appeals to aware-human-being experiences& observations. Not to overextend this excuse for my behavior, awareness is not a new practice. For example, reaction to the Inquisition is wokeism.)

My seems to naturally behave according to Luke 17. They were traveling with another couple and had checked into the hotel. With wives in the room, the men went to fetch some essentials they’d forgotten in one vehicle. The city was so busy! Their cars were on an upper floor. Finally, the down-elevator doors opened and the 2 gratefully approached vacated spots on the full elevator. Two men abandoned their spots, which my friends happily took as the doors closed. Two ladies fumed, I guess frustrated by the abandonment, all the way to the ground floor. I don’t know if they rebuked their men, but no one thanked the two gentlemen who covered for the abandonment.

Appreciative neighbors rebuke men who abandon ladies to full elevators yet may get labeled “misbehavers”.

quora.com/What-is-a-human-right-that-people-mix-up-as-a-privilege? by Mike Wilson

The human-being who both develops their individual power, individual energy, and individual authority (HIPEA) and chooses to constrain chaos in their way of living, seems, to dependent-fellow-citizens, to be privileged. However, they are, of necessity& justice, exercising their unique opportunity to practice, facilitate, and encourage responsible-human-independence (RHI) for life.

A person may choose to employ HIPEA for dependency. Failure to discover and choose RHI is profound personal-error that is accommodated, even nourished, by many persons for an entire lifetime.

HIPEA for RHI takes effect the moment the human-being intends to perfect their singular opportunity.

https://divineatheist.quora.com/Do-atheists-have-a-moral-compass? by divine atheist nov 17

“Divine atheist”, I appreciate your angst and think you are making big mistakes against your self-interest.

First, you allow theists to define you and motivate you to disparage their “god”, which neither the theist nor you know.

Second, the human-being can develop the individual power, the individual energy, and the individual authority (HIPEA) to refrain from disparaging another person’s private pursuit of happiness and to personally behave in necessity& justice.

Third, the fact that the Bible literature expresses ideas from Middle-Eastern homo sapiens’ psychological development from perhaps 5,000 years ago (Genesis 1 only) through perhaps 2300 years ago, made chaotic by subsequent interpretation of the 81 or so diverse literature, some of which made it into some of the many canon, does not mean that 2021 higher awareness can’t make something of the underlying message.

I think the-principle-message is in Genesis 1:26-28: female&male human-being has powers which the individual may choose to employ to constrain chaos in their way of living. I think this suggestion emerged from necessity& justice and the rest of the Bible illustrates the consequences of choosing to initiate and accommodate chaos. The chaos derives from tribes trying to construct their-God so as to usurp the independent human responsibility suggested in V. 28.

Just as “God” in Genesis 1 is rebuked by “the Lord God” in Genesis 2, you, divine atheist rebuke the controller of the consequence of your behavior, which could be either the-God, Jesus, physics, chaos, posterity’s responsible-human-independence or who knows what. You can do better than to mock the controller. You can be yourself.

To Cleve Wright (requested 10 words or less).

Genesis 1:28. God [said], “[You’re responsible to provide peace] on Earth.”

quora.com/If-you-were-raised-conservative-and-believe-in-these-values-is-it-too-outdated-these-days? by Catherine B. Hamon

I don’t think so. However, “conservatism” has many meanings. U.S. conservation of English tradition is long-since outdated and ought to go.

The laws of thermodynamics were worked out between 1824 and 1912 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics#History). The second of four laws states the conservation of mass and energy in a closed system. Neither mass nor energy can be created or destroyed. In 2021,

Human passivism cannot be destroyed: NASA plans to place a nuclear-energy station on the moon in less than 15 years.

A political philosophy in the Middle East, about 5,000 years ago, suggest that human-being may individually provide order& prosperity to living species and to Earth. In other words, accepting the intention, each human-being may constrain chaos in their way of living. I call this suggestion responsible-human-independence (RHI).

However, not every person chooses personal constraint for RHI. Consequently, society is divided: civic-citizens and dependents. The civic-citizens earn enough to fund their way of living plus to constrain dependent fellow-citizens.

I was reared on the principle of conserving human-work so that the individual may responsibly pursue the happiness they want rather than yield to the happiness another entity would impose on them.

About 3,000 years ago, writers imposed monotheism on the 5,000 year old RHI principle stated above. Only 234 years ago, the framers proffered a RHI-culture in the 1787 U.S. Constitution. However, the majority in the USA could not imagine success without English precedent, so the 1788 ratification by the states and the consequential 1791 U.S. Bill of Rights repressed U.S. independence. Anglo-American tyranny increased unto today’s divergent chaos.

I think conservation of human-potential is alive and well in the U.S. and in the world. I also perceive momentum toward RHI, because legislatures, Courts, administrations, the press, states, and religions work for their power, and that irresponsibility is not sustainable.

Homo sapiens is 300,000 years old. The RHI suggestion is only 5,000 years old. U.S. RHI conservatives operate in privacy and have prevailed since 1787, by correcting erroneous starts. For example, the Atlantic slave-trade imposed on colonial America through 1784, and ended in 1808.

I have yet to understand (am presently studying) how independence-won got reversed to English-tradition-restored. But the tyranny need not be conserved. We, the 2021 “ourselves and our Posterity” may terminate the tyranny of Anglo-American “freedom of religion” by amending the Frist Amendment so as to promote the civic-integrity that is required for RHI. Let’s work on this proposal.

quora.com/Do-you-think-humankind-is-going-the-right-path-If-no-what-is-happening-to-our-society-right-now-Which-thing-in-the-past-have-made-it-become-so? by Thien Mai

Mr. Mai, you pose a fascinating question only a dreamer would attempt to answer and then must repeat “I don’t know.”

I don’t know: what some of your words mean and whose past you refer to. However, I’m going to assume you are speaking of the living persons in this world, humankind’s latest mutation: homo sapiens.

We understand the duration so far is about 300,000 years, or about 15,790 generations. The recent ice-age kept homo sapiens in caves until about 25,000 years ago. Language, perhaps 150,000 years old empowered spiritualism more than 80,000 years ago, grammar about 10,000 years ago, and middle-eastern transition to monotheism about 4,000 years ago.

By 3,000 years ago, Hebrew scholars started recording the development of their monotheism from polytheistic transitions like the Sumer culture. Perhaps 5,000 years ago, a political philosopher suggested that female&male-human-being may independently provide order& prosperity to the living species and to the Earth. Fortunately, the thinkers responsible for the suggestion were not privy to the recent discovery that the dinosaurs had died out 65 million years ago, long before the first hominoids emerged some 7 million years ago. Unfortunately, tribes were subjecting the God of Creation to intense worship& praise barters so as to gain favor within humankind, for your question “society”.

However, within society, there were individuals who accepted the value of human-being: the individual power, the individual energy, and the individual authority (HIPEA) to constrain chaos in personal living. Thus, authentic women were faithful to the viable ovum they carried, and authentic men protected the woman and her viable ovum from pregnancy, unless spouses shared mutual commitment to family---grandparents& families, children, grandchildren, and further dependents, for life: family monogamy. Single adults never-the-less remained faithful to the several families. I think this represents the 5,000 year-old philosophy expressed above and call it responsible-human-independence (RHI).

Practicing RHI, which requires civic-integrity, is in the individual’s self-interest. However, it takes about a quarter-century for the newborn human to acquire the comprehension& intention to choose a way of living. Banal appetites can distract a human unto dependency: passivism, spirituality, indolence, abuse, infidelity, crime, evil, tyranny, and worse. Thus, society divides itself into 2 citizens’ groups: civic-citizen-groups who develop RHI and dependent groups who pursue diverse banal-appetites.

Throughout history, satisfying banal appetites has proven ruinous for the nations that did not constrain them. Ruin& reform came to wayward peoples. Many civilizations perished, even though something from them remains in our genes and memes. For examples, the French suffered the reign of terror for 10 years, opposition to slave-emancipation in Bleeding Kansas led to the U.S. Civil War, and Germany suffered Hitler. The rest of humankind survived wayward demise. In recent history, the USA has saved many nations from ruin.

Some US citizens object to recent acceleration of national debt, now at 29 trillion dollars and rising. Elites, domestic& foreign, “protect” Americans from the fact that the world has accumulated 300 trillion dollars debt. It seems the world is approaching an economic abyss from which it cannot return.

The abyss developed because of Alinsky-Marxist organizations (AMO) that have emerged and dominated public attention since the mid-1950s. It is a reactionary phenomenon predicated on the emotions of collectivism, solidarity, and license. The AMO-soldiers are moved by these emotions and perceive that the privacy that is demanded by civic-citizens is individualism that the AMO collectivism will defeat.

AMO fails to consider history: RHI thrives in privacy.

Scholarly despotism

msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/justice-kavanaugh-s-empty-democratic-promise/ar-AARz9uH?

I think this kind of falsehood by Litt and The Atlantic is called strawman argument, cousin-to bait& switch. Kavanaugh says clearly that the abortion question is not for the Court, because it’s for Congress, the states, or privacy. By no means does Kavanaugh imply Litt’s lie: equivocation to “decision by the voters”. In the U.S., citizens are promised privacy under a republic, to be continually improved by “ourselves and our Posterity” through pursuit of the-ineluctable-truth. “Ineluctable” means “not to be avoided, changed, or resisted”. Litt& others might say I am speculating about U.S. intentions---for example, that the U.S. intended to restore dependency on England. So what? This is 2021, and I’m aware of 5,000 years’ human-kind-discovery and 234 years’ chaos-development in the USA under Anglo-American tradition. I am not a subject of Litt’s scholarly-attempts at tyranny. After observing so much resistance to the-ineluctable-evidence, it’s hard to take interest in the rest of Litt’s article. Also, I lost interest in The Atlantic when I realized that for whatever erroneous guidance they accept, they have become opposed to U.S. intentions. To survive, freedom to publish must not overlook independence to not subscribe yet monitor the alien bias on open forums like this. Get established at last, USA responsibly independent citizens!

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Ms Klasson, I appreciate your post and Lennon's invitation: Right? I respond to Lennon: Right for you, John Lennon, but not for me. I want to practice civic necessity& justice and pursue discovery. I wish I could ask John his reaction to my response to "Right?". Perhaps someone will improve my thoughts.

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Lillie, we appreciate you, Pete, and your family and friends so much. It is a pleasure to join your earnest plea, and I'm including Cynthia, who is with us but need not ponder such issues.

I want everyone to consider something else you Johnsons have always done, without articulating it: you practice responsible-human-independence---RHI.

Choosing to be responsible is not new. Genesis 1:26-28, reflecting a perhaps 5,500 year-old political philosophy suggests that female& male human-being MAY independently constrain chaos, that is, may independently provide order& prosperity, in other words, may provide peace to the living species and to the earth. That is, each individual may constrain chaos in their way of living, plus facilitate& encourage fellow-citizens to also practice RHI.

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I perceive that St. Luke the physician, in Luke 17:1-19, with translators’ errors, perhaps lamely interpreted ancient thought in Leviticus 19:15-19:

With 2021 wokeness, “Do not pervert [necessity&] justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor[’s actions] fairly. Do not go about spreading slander among [human-beings]. Do not do anything that endangers [anyone’s] life. I am the LORD. Do not hate a fellow [citizen] in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone, but [appreciate] your neighbor [and] yourself. I [control the consequences of human-being independence; therefore,] keep my decrees.”

Unfortunately for humankind, in trying to adapt the ancient scripture, in order to argue that Jesus is the Messiah some ancients imagined, the physician hid the strengths of Jesus' message: You can and may independently perfect your unique human-being in the image of the entity that controls the consequences of human decisions. Perhaps the metaphysical Jesus authored Genesis 1:28, and his message was obfuscated by the "Son of God" theory. (This update on 12/9/2021.)

 

.facebook.com/chris.nalepa.7, Dec 7

This is a great message. Unfortunately, everyone knows that "truth" is misleading. The scholars suppress the word "ineluctable", which according to merriam-webster.com means "not to be avoided, changed, or resisted". The word appeared in translation in 1571. Writers published each ". . . truth" and "the . . . truth" in 1906.

I like to use hyphens, in order to invite readers to consider an existing entity: the-ineluctable-truth. People may collaborate to discover the-ineluctable-truth.

Suppose in 1906 the scholars chose to share with the public suggestions like this: the-ineluctable-evidence is that freedom-from government-oppression is no substitute for responsible-human-independence, which even the-God cannot and would-not repress.

I assert that the chaos we experience& observe in 2021 would not be as divergent, if we habitually debated the-ineluctable-truth, most of which is unknown.

Chris, I appreciate your open-mindedness and challenge: PHIL BEAVER, you're going to have to explain "the-ineluctable-truth" if we will discuss it!

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Ms. Valle, your story is not at all convincing to me.

Civic-neglect through spiritualism comforts childhood whereas adulthood requires responsible-human-independence. (Mona might say adulthood involves obligations.) The children, sooner or later, experience the importance of reliable human-connections, often too late.

Please read Luke 17:1-19 and consider my opinion: Long ago, Mona, an exemplary human-being, gave up on the Bible formula to practice forgiveness.

It's elements are: rebuke your neighbor bluntly so as not to accommodate their error; wait for them to consider your aid and repent (or convince you that you erred); forgive; and standby for repetition of the cycle, potentially 490 times in 70 days with that neighbor.

I think Mona typically opts to stop waiting for repentance by cutting straight to forgiveness. In other words, Mona considers her opinion for her as valid as Luke's opinion for Luke. In this case, Mona wrote "Thank you" and smiley face, leaving the outcome to Ms. Valle, and not expecting my keen interest due to related work I'm doing.

Of particular interest in V 1-4 are "woe to", "rebuke him", and "seven times in a day". It takes neighborly appreciation& courage to rebuke.

In V 5-6, Luke says Jesus rebuked disciples due to no commitment the forgiveness formula. I prefer to rebuke and forgive, leaving to the offender the responsibility to either correct my opinion (I do not know the-ineluctable-truth in any personal connection) or reform.

In V 7-10, Luke expresses, subtly (perhaps to protect personal-politics), that Jesus' disciples ought to practice the formula in-order-to simply obey their master, if for no other reason. In other words, Luke has Jesus rebuking the disciples.

In V 11-19, Luke tells a story of 10 almsmen taking the risk to walk the distance to show the priests their skin conditions, even though they are aware that priestly concoctions never heal. The priests don't even learn of the incident, because the 10 are healed before the walk is completed. The chance that the message, trust-in and commitment-to personal action rather than begging, will be promoted is lessened, because only 1 of the 10 appreciates the outcome enough to return and say "Thank you". The other 9 are satisfied with relief from their skin ailments. Again, Luke has Jesus rebuke the disciples for their lack of commitment.

I read, write, speak, and LISTEN, so as to learn, so please comment on this neighborly rebuke (in my opinion).

Follow up: Today, after further research, I perceive that St. Luke the physician, in Luke 17:1-19, perhaps lamely and-with translators’-errors interpreted ancient thought in Leviticus 19:15-19:

With 2021 wokeness, “Do not pervert [necessity&] justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor[’s actions] fairly. Do not go about spreading slander among your people [human-beings]. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s [anyone’s] life. I am the Lord. Do not hate a fellow Israelite [citizen] in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love [appreciate] your neighbor as [and] yourself. I am the Lord [control the consequences of human-being independence]. Keep [Therefore,] keep my decrees.”

 

I appreciate Ms. Valle’s story and the opportunity to consider it. I get the chance to learn by practicing appreciation& consideration.

 

Phil Beaver does not “know.” He trusts in and is committed to the-objective-truth which can only be discovered. Conventional wisdom has truth founded on reason, but it obviously does not work.

Phil is agent for A Civic People of the United States, a Louisiana, education non-profit corporation. See online at promotethepreamble.blogspot.com, and consider essays from the latest and going back as far as you like.