Phil Beaver seeks to
collaborate on the-objective-truth, which can only be discovered. The comment
box below invites readers to write.
"Civic"
refers to citizens who collaborate for responsible freedom more than for the
city.
A personal paraphrase of the June 21, 1788 preamble: We
the civic citizens of nine of the thirteen United States commit-to and trust-in
the purpose and goals stated herein --- integrity, justice, collaboration,
defense, prosperity, liberty, and perpetuity --- and to cultivate limited
services to us by the USA. I am willing to collaborate with other citizens
on this paraphrase, yet may settle on and would always preserve the original
text.
Our Views (theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/opinion/our_views/article_90a88e04-167a-11e8-a42f-e365c1bef98b.html)
Need
I say I think The Advocate abuses freedom of the press?
Today,
they continue their campaign to divide the people: taxpayer vs whatever
opposition The Advocate imagined when they first started that divisive practice.
My understanding of the current special session is that it is a struggle for Gov. Edwards and other social democrats to take more of the people’s money to spend. Everyone who purchases goods pays sales taxes, so the thought, “. . . every dime spent on incentive packages is . . . taken from schools, roads, colleges, quality of life,” applies to all Louisiana citizens.
My understanding of the current special session is that it is a struggle for Gov. Edwards and other social democrats to take more of the people’s money to spend. Everyone who purchases goods pays sales taxes, so the thought, “. . . every dime spent on incentive packages is . . . taken from schools, roads, colleges, quality of life,” applies to all Louisiana citizens.
And “There are many reasons why the state government's books don't
balance in Louisiana. One culprit is lavish industrial incentives that cost [Louisiana
citizens] a fortune and don't live up to their promise.”
Why
does The Advocate claim that “taxpayers” suffer these political abuses by the greedy
Gov. Edwards’ government? I think it is merely a habit. The Advocate habitually
pits income-tax payers against sales-tax payers, because Democrats use state
revenues to rent votes from the poor.
For
reasons I cannot guess, The Advocate seems to favor Democrats. If they do, I
think they are making a big mistake. The elite Democrats want to rent the gross
domestic product (GDP) so as to win votes from block voters. The Democrat’s
ploy is to redistribute taxes so as to gain favor from people who suffer a
smaller share of GDP.
The
Democrats care not if redistribution is a form of enslavement---keeping the
poor poor so as to benefit the elite Democrats.
Look
at the sales tax as a sin tax designed to constrain adult appetites so as to
reduce loading the state’s children with more debt.
The
Advocate also exercises irresponsible freedom of the press when they do not cite
Gov. Edwards’ ruinous involvement of parishes and cities in the decisions about
state-wide economic development incentives.
Today’s thought, G.E. Dean (Mark 8:34-38 CJB), The Advocate,
February 22, 2018, 7B.
"Then Yeshua called the crowd and his talmidim to him and told
them, "If anyone wants to come after me, let him say `No' to himself, take
up his execution stake, and keep following me. For whoever wants to save
his own life will destroy it, but whoever destroys his life for my sake and for
the sake of the Good News will save it. Indeed, what will it benefit a
person if he gains the whole world but forfeits his life? What could a
person give in exchange for his life? For if someone is ashamed of me and
of what I say in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also
will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy
angels.”
Dean, omitting all but V. 34, says,
“Following Jesus is a full commitment.”
Taking up an execution stake seems less mysterious than taking up a
cross. I doubt executioners allow confiscation. Moreover, I doubt that a human
being can forsake his or her authority to behave with civic morality, even
though someone claims they’ll take the responsibility for harm/error.
Letters
Black supremacy (Kelly) (theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/opinion/letters/article_213e717c-165d-11e8-943e-eb90f62c33c1.html)
I’m aware that mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomes inform us that everyone
alive today descended from a man and woman who were not contemporaries, and that
peoples migrated from Africa; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam.
However, the phrase “Mother Africa,” is as political
as an indigenous American’s claim that God is red or Michelangelo’s white-skin
art; italianrenaissance.org/michelangelo-creation-of-adam/. Is a movie a more
valid form of expression or just another free enterprise?
The African continent produced a strange and bitter commodity:
African slaves. Today, there are some 30 million to 60 million slaves. Is this
erroneous politics to be preserved along with a Christianity? Will Christianity
resolve itself as black?
While I fear pride as a dangerous pursuit, wherever it
arises, I’m perfectly happy for ethnic groups who collaborate for human justice
to preserve their paths toward civic morality. Being Scots-Irish, I know I am
stubborn and try to resist that tendency. However, division of We the People of
the United States based on skin color begs woe for the dividers, as history has
shown.
Emotional health care (Newby) (theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/opinion/letters/article_4cca363c-172f-11e8-89b7-9312a9a44c32.html)
It is well known
that personal hygiene, proper exercise, proper diet, and good behavior are at
least four times more effective that health care for maintaining wellbeing not
only for self but among family members.
And by all means, the last behavior I want from health providers is emotionalism. I oppose Newby’s attempts to scare people.
I hope UMC notifies her to refrain from such emotional diatribes against civic morality.
(The Advocate freely lobbies against the people for their own reasons.)
And by all means, the last behavior I want from health providers is emotionalism. I oppose Newby’s attempts to scare people.
I hope UMC notifies her to refrain from such emotional diatribes against civic morality.
(The Advocate freely lobbies against the people for their own reasons.)
Columns
Bill Clinton (Richard Cohen) (www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-knows-everyone-has-a-price/2018/02/19/c7c0f52c-15a1-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.8006241b4f03)
Throughout Cohen’s column I kept recalling Bill Clinton’s
escapades and Hillary’s reactions to them. I’m no fan of Tony Perkins, but when
I read Cohen’s explanation Robert Byrd came to mind as the Senator who gave
Clinton a mulligan; cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/byrd.html.
Here’s Cohen debating with himself about wrong vs truly wrong eleven
months before Clinton’s impeachment vote: washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1999/01/19/clinton-and-kafka/fe5806ea-b420-46bc-b292-731db324b617/?utm_term=.acc55e59c404.
“It was wrong to have sex with
Monica Lewinsky, and it was wrong to lie about it, but it was not
"truly" wrong -- like abusing presidential power by covering up a
burglary (Nixon) or adamantly refusing to administer the law (Johnson).”
Other forums
facebook.com/phil.beaver.52, Sept. 25, 2017
Jim, I just now
(2/22/18) read your great post.
Many Americans
don't realize it, but the entity that claims the authority to "ordain and
establish" the USA is "We the People of the United States,"
those citizens in their states who read, comprehend, trust, and commit to the
agreement that is stated in the preamble.
Other citizens,
knowingly or not, are dissidents to the American quest for human justice. Some
are criminals or worse. Thus, in the USA, the preamble divides citizens:
dissidents vs. a civic people as defined by the preamble.
Jim
Robertson Colin Kaepernick and others peacefully bending
their knee during the national anthem are simply using their reserved power to
bring those in authority into compliance with the law. The preamble assumes
that all people have that reserved power—even accused criminals. There is no
stated division. The law is established by the Truth the all men are Created
equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Peace.
What a confusing response! Please consider clarifying
after my opinions, below.
You talk of "accused criminals." An accused criminal may not be a dissident to the American quest for human justice. However, a criminal is without a doubt a dissident. If his or her crime is discovered, he or she must suffer the law. If We the People of the United States with for God to establish statutory justice, we suffer the woe we beg.
God assigned the responsibility for human justice to humans. If this is not clear to you after 1700 years of ruin from the mysteries in the Holy Bible, you are an unwitting dissident to the human quest for justice.
A person can be a Christian and collaborate for justice, but a Christian cannot impose religious dogma that conflicts with justice.
I appreciate the opportunity to debate this important civic morality.
Jim Robertson The founders
were all accused criminals when the foundation for law, which are the Truths in
the Declaration of Independence was drafted. Five of the first ten amendments
were written specifically for accused criminals. Thank you.
You
reference a fallacy the preamble corrects: That the colonists, self-styled
statesmen established the law of the land by declaring independence from
England's governance. That's a scholarly sophists' falsehood.
The colonists turned statesmen won that war, and in 1784 ratified the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which named each one a free and independent state. The 13 free and independent states realized they needed laws and gradually came around to the 1787 convention in Philadelphia.
Only 12 states sent delegates, and only 2/3 of the delegates signed the draft constitution with its preamble and its subject, "We the People of the United States."
On June 21, 1788, nine of the
12 states ratified the constitution, establishing the USA. The USA hoped the
other four states would join the USA. One did before operations began on March
4, 1789, with a Congress that represented ten states. The Congress of 10 states
reinstated "divine" legislation by May, 1789, and the USA has been
burdened by factional theism ever since.
Most Americans do not understand what it means to be an American and have no clue that the preamble divides citizens between those who collaborate for human justice and dissidents. People who insist on the declaration of war against England as a civil document for the USA are dissidents against the intentions of the signers of the preamble, the only valid Founders.
Many people who try to impose the declaration as a civil document do so to try to impose theism on the people. Theists who cannot admit that to themselves have no credibility in a civic forum respecting the preamble and the articles of the constitution for the USA.
I appreciate this additional opportunity to debate the American quest for justice.
Most Americans do not understand what it means to be an American and have no clue that the preamble divides citizens between those who collaborate for human justice and dissidents. People who insist on the declaration of war against England as a civil document for the USA are dissidents against the intentions of the signers of the preamble, the only valid Founders.
Many people who try to impose the declaration as a civil document do so to try to impose theism on the people. Theists who cannot admit that to themselves have no credibility in a civic forum respecting the preamble and the articles of the constitution for the USA.
I appreciate this additional opportunity to debate the American quest for justice.
Jim Robertson The Constitution nowhere establishes law for the people.
It’s only purpose is to limit Government from becoming lawless. The 9th and
10th amendments make it clear that the people are not limited by the
Constitution and hold the reserved power. Also the Government has no rights
except that which is expressly written within the Constitution. Thank you.
Nothing justifies the attempt, yours or any other
sophists', to impose the declaration of independence against England as more
than expressing the record of war.
BTW: try not paying your taxes as a means of verifying "the Constitution nowhere establishes law for the people." With that claim, I have lost enthusiasm for today's dialogue. Maybe another time.
BTW: try not paying your taxes as a means of verifying "the Constitution nowhere establishes law for the people." With that claim, I have lost enthusiasm for today's dialogue. Maybe another time.
Jim Robertson Jesus loves you. Please have a nice day.
You remind me of Matthew 7:1.
Jim Robertson The next time you publicly condemn black people
peacefully bending their knee for their dead friends, I will make sure to keep
my mouth shut. Please have a nice day.
Now you remind me of Exodus 20:16.
For the sake of an achievable, better future, what if
"peace" was widely accepted as using the preamble to collaborate for
mutual, comprehensive safety and security in the USA?
Jim Robertson I think peace
can only be achieved by Jesus Christ, as the angel announced upon the
declaration of His arrival—Peace and goodwill to all men. The people must, in
courage, peacefully use their reserved power to claim and defend their
unalienable rights and bring the Government into compliance with the law. Only
then will we see the stated purpose in the Preamble fulfilled. Thank you.
Lets see
now. If Jesus was born in 5 B.C. (I don't really think that date is important,
because Jesus said, "Before Abraham I am."), then for 2023 years
humankind has been waiting for peace. If Abraham was born 4014 years ago, with
Jesus before, it’s perhaps twice the wait.
I plan to be around another 46 years, so waiting for Jesus' peace does not seem promising at all. Thus, I turn to you, Jim, and all the rest of the people for civic morality. If we collaborate, rather than waiting an eternity for the mystery of the afterdeath to appear, we can get the job done.
Jim Robertson I just did that and it worked. The Bundy family was being heavily
terrorized by our Government. They came to a point where in courage they faced
the beast, then illegally placed in prison, and tortured while their wives and
children were intimidated. After almost two years of torment they went to
court. The Judge banned the Constitution from the courtroom and anyone seen
with a visible pocket Constitution was forcibly removed and threatened. The US
Prosecution team headed by Steve Myhre (a Republican) planned a lying scheme to
not allow exculpatory evidence to be brought forth. Law enforcement FBI, LVMPD
and Sheriff perjured themselves multiple times in planned and rehearsed stores
that were complete fabrications to hide the truth. Defense witnesses were no
allowed to speak and those that did were censored by the Judge and US
Prosecution team. The supporting people chose to pray and use there reserved
power and began, in courage, to claim their unalienable rights and bring the
Government into compliance with the law. Prosecutors in the elevators were told
to stand down by the people when they sought to intimidate us. Videos were made
of their crimes and posted on the Facebook and You Tube. The defense attorneys
sensing the people in support became bold in court and succeeded in forcing the
Judge to acknowledge the illegal government conspiracy against the people. Then
on January 8, 2018 a furious Judge Gloria Navarro told the prosecution team
they were guilty of 6 Brady violations which included willfully withholding
over 3,300 pages of exculpatory evidence and that the defendants could leave
free men. The Bundys are now at home and at peace. There have been some
attempts by the Government to illegally intimidate them again, but the people again
networks, exposes it, and brings them into compliance with the law. It is a
beautiful system and very simple--claim, use, and defend. It is the only way. I
have enjoyed talking with you and please have a nice day.
Phil Beaver What a tale; ://cnn.com/.../us/cliven-bundy-charges-dismissed/index.html.
I'm glad some plain talk came through, but I sill won't be waiting for Jesus'
justice in the USA.
My day was great, especially the stretching, strength, walking and sports-watching at the end. Talk to you later.
My day was great, especially the stretching, strength, walking and sports-watching at the end. Talk to you later.
Feb 23: Jim Robertson Jesus loves you Phil.
Cleve Wright The Bundys were not mistreated... they all deserve to be in
jail...
Jim Robertson Hi Cleve: My recommendation then is for you to contact the
US prosecution team immediately. They have spent over $300,000,000.00 of our
money attempting to prove just that,but have only succeeded in publicly
committing 6 Brady violations in their frantic attempt to hide what actually
happened. They have been publicly humiliated and can use someone like you to
cheer them on. So go for it! Good luck.
Cleve Wright Jim Robertson you
need to be careful, im not a nice guy like Phil; ill tell you what a dumbass
jerkoff you are
Jim Robertson Jesus loves you Cleve. You remind me of US Prosecutor
Steve Myhre. I think you would work well together. Peace.
Cleve Wright Yes, he does... i dont need some half witte reminding
me...
Cleve Wright Not likely , i believe we should have saved the cost of
jail and trial and have the traitors a piece of lead
Jim Robertson There are many on a mission to protect us, just like you.
I am grateful the cowboys won.
Cleve Wright I believe in the Republic, not anarchist who made millions
off public lands
Cleve Wright Then refuse to pay their taxes
Phil Beaver Jim, Cleve is brief because he is smart. Also, he's a
shipbuilder, and all Americans revere shipbuilders for the safety they provide.
So please try to explore where he's coming from. I am.
One thing I recall is that the ranch family benefited from public lands for decades, and I do not know enough to say they were justified. Perhaps they were picking my pocket, since I am a geek tax payer. If so, I appreciate the federal government calling the Bundy family out on it.
But this morning, early, I searched for a law professor reading on the case and found one: ://libertylawsite.org/.../administrating-the-decline-in.../. Emeritus Prof. Codevilla explains that the bungling of the case was not 1787 Constitutional law, but regulatory law, which operates on its own advice. If you are not aware of this immense American problem, it is worth studying.
I understand from the CNN article I linked earlier that Sessions is still studying the case.
One thing I recall is that the ranch family benefited from public lands for decades, and I do not know enough to say they were justified. Perhaps they were picking my pocket, since I am a geek tax payer. If so, I appreciate the federal government calling the Bundy family out on it.
But this morning, early, I searched for a law professor reading on the case and found one: ://libertylawsite.org/.../administrating-the-decline-in.../. Emeritus Prof. Codevilla explains that the bungling of the case was not 1787 Constitutional law, but regulatory law, which operates on its own advice. If you are not aware of this immense American problem, it is worth studying.
I understand from the CNN article I linked earlier that Sessions is still studying the case.
LIBERTYLAWSITE.ORG
Jim Robertson Hi Phil: The Federal Government has no contract with the
Bundy’s or Constitutional authority in the matter and they proved publicly they
know it. You and Cleve are welcome to help the Government find the contract or
Constitutional authority. They were illegally holding and torturing them
in their for-profit prisons for almost 2 years under the leadership of swamp
monster Jeff Sessions, who should be tried in a public Grand Jury and
imprisoned. The Federal Government attempted desperately to withhold the
exculpatory evidence and failed. Instead of allowing the evidence to be brought
forth in court, like the Bundys publicly stated they wanted, they instead, like
the cowards they are, chose to release the defendants immediately on the
defendants terms. Peace.
Cleve Wright We shouldnt have wasted tax payer dollars, we should have
executed the traitors Bundys
Jim Robertson The Bundys realized how much you and the Government want
to protect their unalienable rights, which is why they brought guns to defend
themselves. Jesus loves you.
Phil Beaver Jim Robertson It
seems Professor Codevilla's essay title was above your awareness. You seem
antinomian.
But your latest abuse of Jesus reminds me of Exodus 20:7. You take leaps of hubris that still scare me.
Maybe we'll have a future discussion that both starts well and ends well.
But your latest abuse of Jesus reminds me of Exodus 20:7. You take leaps of hubris that still scare me.
Maybe we'll have a future discussion that both starts well and ends well.
Cleve Wright Lol, doubtful Phil! Not with a guy who doesnt have the
mental capacity or aptitude for critical thinking ..and laughably thinks ending
his idiotic rants with Jesus Loves you covers lack of thought or self
thinking...
Jim Robertson I already realized your mission to protect us. I now
realize your mission to protect Jesus.
Cleve Wright Jim Robertson you
are so dumb!!
Jim Robertson Cleve: On second thought, I think you remind
more of Judge Gloria Navarro’s last exchange with the US Prosecution team.
Phil Beaver Jim Robertson Jim,
do you perceive you are humble?
Jim Robertson Self realizing humility is like trying to prove a negative
that is not seen. Can you prove an unseen negative?
Phil Beaver Are you asking me to prove that God does not exist? I am
too humble to speculate.
What about you? Do you perceive you are humble?
What about you? Do you perceive you are humble?
Jim Robertson I was simply saying that it is not possible to prove an
unseen negative. To me humility is the absence of pride toward God. How can I
prove something that I do not see (pride for example) does not exist? Do you
agree?
Phil Beaver I do not agree at all. A humble person has accepted the
human authority for responsible behavior and is developing fidelity.
A humble person might make a statement like, "I think I am humble," with a presence that explicitly declares that judgement of humility is beyond the speaker---perhaps God or the-objective-truth is the judge; or whatever may be in control of what-is or actual reality, if anything beyond statistical chance--chaos.
I did not invent this notion of humility: I learned it, without the bells and whistles, from Holly, who introduced me to Cleve.
A humble person might make a statement like, "I think I am humble," with a presence that explicitly declares that judgement of humility is beyond the speaker---perhaps God or the-objective-truth is the judge; or whatever may be in control of what-is or actual reality, if anything beyond statistical chance--chaos.
I did not invent this notion of humility: I learned it, without the bells and whistles, from Holly, who introduced me to Cleve.
Cleve Wright Phil Beaver Phil, you cant win trying to
wrestle in the mudd with a pig... you have to realize , ..... the pig likes it!
Phil Beaver Cleve Wright Jim and I are in a years-old
dialog and I trust him.
Cleve Wright Phil Beaver ok, my friend... i am leaving
you to continue as you may...
Phil Beaver Cleve Wright I don't need to say pitch in
as you wish, but I understand you want to fry some fish or grill a steak.
Jim Robertson Real humility is the absence of pride or emptying out of
ourselves toward God. It is possible to humble our selves to someone or
something else. That would be a form of tyranny. Humility is not really
achieved. Assuming sound responsibility is good reasoning. Thank you.
Phil Beaver That's right. The person who claims "sound
responsibility and good reasoning" on which to define a god may have
rebuked God.
Jim Robertson If you can come up with sound reasoning to subject
yourself to tyranny, then sure—go for it.
Phil Beaver Each human being has the physical and psychological power to control his or her energy for life. That authority is usurped by neither government nor God.
Death in inevitable. The individual can adopt somebody's claim, ancient or new, that they will protect the individual from death if the individual grants them some or all of life's energy. I choose to accept the human authority to behave during life and trust my afterdeath to my before-conception.
There's neither tyranny nor pride in my acceptance of my human authority and my responsibility for my person's behavior for my lifetime.
Death in inevitable. The individual can adopt somebody's claim, ancient or new, that they will protect the individual from death if the individual grants them some or all of life's energy. I choose to accept the human authority to behave during life and trust my afterdeath to my before-conception.
There's neither tyranny nor pride in my acceptance of my human authority and my responsibility for my person's behavior for my lifetime.
Jim Robertson Individuals who fake real Government (Hitler, Mao, Stalin,
Lenin...etc) have been known to usurp a person’s will or energy for life like
you call it. Yes, our Creator has endowed all men equally with the unalienable
right to decide their path.
Yes, death is inevitable and one Man has risen from the dead. Our calendars date the remarkable event. You are free to choose. Have a great day.
Yes, death is inevitable and one Man has risen from the dead. Our calendars date the remarkable event. You are free to choose. Have a great day.
Phil Beaver The only Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin . . . etc that usurped
my life energy was my own will to fulfill Mom and Dad's wish that I would be a
Southern Baptist. Finally, I realized God might not agree with Mom and Dad, and
two decades later I realized only I have the authority to behave during life.
Nothing can usurp my authority and responsibility to behave.
Jim Robertson Fake Government can definitely usurp an individual’s
authority to responsibly behave. You are correct your mother and father could
have been wrong about God. Not sure though now what that has to do with you.
Just talk directly to Him. Ask Him to be real to you and guide you. He will. It
is that simple.
Phil Beaver There's no way I would be arrogant enough to approach God
with the claim that I need more authority and responsibility than I already
have. Developing my fidelity is my duty.
One fact I think would help this bemused dialogue is this: I have no desire to impose my motivation and inspiration to behave on any person; it's only civic behavior I address. According to the preamble, as a United States citizen, I demand collaboration for civic morality. By civic morality I mean private liberty in mutual safety and security, and we can debate my meaning. Thus, on approaching a traffic light, the person who sees red stops and the person who sees green goes. If a person tries to express, "God has exempt me from this traffic signal constraint," he or she has withdrawn from the discussion and is irresponsible.
Similarly, if a person is arrogant enough to tell a civic person, "You need to talk to God," he or she invites woe that I cannot imagine. Again I recall Matthew 7:1-2.
I'll check this thread tomorrow. (That'll be 2/24/18)
One fact I think would help this bemused dialogue is this: I have no desire to impose my motivation and inspiration to behave on any person; it's only civic behavior I address. According to the preamble, as a United States citizen, I demand collaboration for civic morality. By civic morality I mean private liberty in mutual safety and security, and we can debate my meaning. Thus, on approaching a traffic light, the person who sees red stops and the person who sees green goes. If a person tries to express, "God has exempt me from this traffic signal constraint," he or she has withdrawn from the discussion and is irresponsible.
Similarly, if a person is arrogant enough to tell a civic person, "You need to talk to God," he or she invites woe that I cannot imagine. Again I recall Matthew 7:1-2.
I'll check this thread tomorrow. (That'll be 2/24/18)
Phil Beaver does not “know” the actual-reality. He
trusts and is committed to the-objective-truth which
can only be discovered. He is agent for A Civic People of the United States, a
Louisiana, education non-profit corporation. See online at
promotethepreamble.blogspot.com.
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